Monday, September 16, 2013

The State of Nemetics as of Sept 15 . . . .

copy and paste from a G+ thread

+Mark Hurych  So here's where nemetics is as of today... I will do a beginning translation then wait for your observations, critiques and especially any thoughts about what's missing.

First some fundamentals:

A Neme comes from an acronym of Notice ornot Engage ornot Mull ornot Exchange ornot.  The contention is that N.E.M.E can be used to capture "Learning" in any context. A school, a person, an organization, a city, a region as well as physics and biology.

The central concept is that all those systems tend to Free Neme Exchange within Appropriate Constraints.

The terms neme, nCell, nTube and nString all refer to the same phenomona viewed from different stances. 


A tribe is a group of 20 to 150 people

The name of a tribe is a NEME. 
The reality of a tribe is an nCell.
The relationships in a tribe are nTubes. An extended family is a good example, although jobs, location, communication patterns are other nTubes. A nTube is also called a "Narrative."
The stories exchanged within the Tribe form nStrings. 

I like to view most things as nCells as it points to the living reality of a tribe.

One more piece. The nCell moves through an nField which consists of the turbulent waves that are invisible until a measurable point occurs by being observed.
A tribe is defined by a group who knows one another enough that, if they saw another walking down the street, would stop and say “hello.” What makes the tribe more effective than others is its culture.- 
So back to you :-) 

Mark Hurych
Sep 14, 2013
I get this. I do like the remolding of concepts and exploring new ones. Your thinking is often well-suited for what I yearn to learn. Neme seems like a given. It's what I do in cyberspace. 

Shall we dance? lol 

Mark Hurych
Sep 14, 2013
"The reality of a tribe is an nCell."
As I try to nail down a definition of nCell and understand its reality, it hits me. You just mean a tribe is an example of an nCell. I think. I'm maybe wrestling with a bar of soap. Maybe grasping too hard. Ok. I wonder: Why all the nTalk? Is it nMath or nSystemics shorthand?

I take the red pill and like Alice go down this rabbit hole...

Mark Hurych
Sep 14, 2013
"The relationships of a tribe are nTubes."
And some surfer dude who totally gets this, right now is saying it's totally tubular. I don't surf. I only play Stand-and-fall. Like a four-year-old who must play Throw-and-miss before he can play Catch, I'm fumbling with this nThing. 

Michael Josefowicz
Sep 14, 2013
So the reason for nTalk is that if we just used Cell, String, Tube the things people see who vary depending on their experience, mood and the particular frame that is triggered. If you're in a conversation with biologists they see one thing. If in a conversation about social media another thing. .

It first evolved in an exchange with Daniel. We were just playing around and got to stuff like "we need to get together a group of the Knights who say Neme."  Once it was in play we just kept extending it and it worked pretty well.

Does that make sense?

On the question of ""The reality of a tribe is an nCell." what I was trying to get at is reality - phenomenon - instead of the word. Maybe a better way to say "reality" in that sentence is "The phenomenoligical nature of a "tribe" can be usefully translated to "nCell" in the context of nemetics.

Your other observation is spot on. The purpose of nemetics is to translate insights from any complex adaptive/creative system to any other. So if we can translate the phenomenon of an ant colony and the phenomenon of G+ and twitter and national politics using the same code, we can use what people know about each to do a compare, contrast. clarify the underlying process.

So does this nBullshit make sense?  ( btw your questions forced me to clarify what I was thinking. That's how dialog is supozed to work. Cool. )

Back to you.

Mark Hurych
Sep 14, 2013
Ah. Maybe I can explain my blundering about tribes. I don't know any tribes where I can name 20 of its members.

It would be very difficult for me to name 20 people who know each other. That statement seems absurd, so let me see:
Stephen [after the first 3 I slow to a crawl]
Casey [really struggling now]
Raul [that's 10 and that's about all I can name of the people at work who work together and know each other]

On my side of the family, most of whom are far away, the situation is about the same.

On my wife's side, which is huge, over 300 know me by name and as my wife's husband, but I might be able to name 15. Lets see.
Charlene [11, slowing again]

I'm not sure how unusual this is, but I am a happy camper. I must be extremely introverted compared to most people and I've always been comfortable with it.

Mark Hurych
Sep 14, 2013
Relationships are nTubes and narratives are nTubes? I don't follow. What I don't follow is why are we labeling everything with "n"?
The nThis and nThat is starting to sound to me like the Batman joke where Batman drives the Batmobile to the Batcave but didn't have time to answer the Batphone because he had to go to the Batroom.

Rim shot. Budum bum...

Michael Josefowicz
Sep 14, 2013
I like the the Batman analogy. The reason for nBullshit is exactly that it forces people to stop for a sec. Also to translate from one complex adaptive/creative system a "man gotta have a code.' It's like math in the sense that among nemeticians its a precise code that first confuses then clarifies.

But mostly it's cause it's way fun :-)

You should know my tribe is pretty similar to yours except that my family is much smaller ( I cud explain another time in a different context)

Consider your students or colleagues. The def of a tribe is people you know by their first name.

So back to you as an a nCell.

Over the net and back to your side of the court..

Ta dum :-) 

Mark Hurych
Sep 14, 2013
Well ok. nTomay-toe or nTomah-toe, we're in the same tribe learning the secret handshake. It's cool. nCell